Planning and Licensing Committee - Wednesday 13 November 2024, 2:00pm - Cotswold District Council Webcasting

Planning and Licensing Committee
Wednesday, 13th November 2024 at 2:00pm 

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  8. Councillor Patrick Coleman
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  15. Councillor Julia Judd
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  21. 08. Gambling Act 2005 Review - Recommend Recs 1&2 to Full Council
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1 Apologies

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Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:00:44
Okay then members, this will start.
Welcome to the Planning and Licensing Committee.
I don't think we need any introductions because there's no members of the public here.
And when the TV comes on it usually gives the name of the Councillor, so I think we're
all right with that.
Apologies.
Have we got any apologies?
I received apologies from Councillor Dillis -Neal.
No substitutes?
No.
Thank you.
Declarations of interest, anybody?
No?
Minutes?
Anybody got any comments on the minutes?
I just got one.
It's got New Downers Governance Office.
Is that your official title?
Yes.
It changed about five months ago.
Anybody got any comments on the minutes?
Can we have somebody to...
Councillor McLean, seconded by...
Councilor Salih.
Councillor Gary Solwin.
Okay then, we need to vote on that, so all those in favour, please show.
Alright, are you going to press the buttons?
That way.
Are we doing it?
Do it electronically then, do it properly.
That's it.
Nine four.
I've got digit problems.
All ten now.
We've got all ten, thank you very much.
Cheers announcements.
As you know, one of our team is leaving us.
It's got promotion and it's moving to a higher level.
It is very sorry to see Anne go.
I would like to thank you for everything you have done over the last four years.
Thank you for everything you have done for me and the committee.
We wish you all the very best.
Can we just give a round of applause.
APPLAUSE
You are welcome back any time you like.
Thank you.

3 Declarations of Interest

2 Substitute Members

4 Minutes

I did try and get some training organised for today, once I knew we had no planning applications.

5 Chair's Announcements

I thought it would be a good use of time, but unfortunately we couldn't get anything arranged so quickly.
But we did try.
And as I said before, if any members have got anything they want on a training session, please let me know so we can organise it.
Okay. Any public questions?
No member questions? No member questions.

6 Public questions

7 Member questions

Moving on to Act 8, the Gambling Act. We have Mandy who is going to give us a pure presentation.

8 Gambling Act 2005 Statement of Principles (Policy) Review 2024

Thank you, Chair. Okay, so the report details the proposed review.
Is the microphone on? Yes.
All right. Can you hear me now?
Officer - 0:03:35
Would it be like...
I was just wondering if you could...
I'll take my time.
We could then all see you rather than turn.
Yeah, if you'd like to go forward.
Would you like to try to follow up?
Officer - 0:04:25
The report details the proposed revisions of the Council Statement Principles, known
as a gambling act 2005 based on legislative requirements, statutory guidance and any amendments
following the public consultation. Before determining its policy, the authority is required
to consult with the police, persons who represent the interests of gambling businesses and those
who represent the interests of persons who are likely to be affected by gambling businesses.
The draft statement of principles have been subject to a six -week consultation and that
closed on 25 October. There were no responses to that consultation to bring to you today.
Under section 116 of the Act, the licensing authority is empowered, if they wish, to make
no casino resolution. This means that at this time the Council does not wish to have a casino
in its area. This decision has to be reviewed every three years. Full Council resolved not
to issue licences to casinos in 2006. This decision was renewed at meetings in 2009,
2012 2015 and 2022 so as a recommendation what we're asking is that committee
approved to approve the statement of principles to full council and also that
the council continues to adopt a no casino resolution for inclusions in the
published gambling act 2005 licensing policy statement. Thank you chair. Okay
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:06:31
thank you very much. The questions what I thought we'd do is we'd go through it in
three different parts. If you look at the contents there's a part A part B and a
part C. So to have some structure to it we'll go through those three different
We will start with part 8, general matters.
Any members with any questions?
Paragraph 7 .2, contact details.
This proves I have read it.
It says appendix 3.
Shouldn't that be appendix 2?
You are correct.
I will get that amended, Chair.
Going on to paragraph 10, it comes out with a term,
intelligence -based inspection programme.
I have never come across that term before.
I know there are four items it refers to, but intelligence?
Any particular intelligence from the police?
or do you know?
Kevin, if you want to answer that, please.
Yes, it would be intelligence received from the police
or through reports submitted to the council
and potentially from the gambling commission themselves
if there were reports submitted,
but it would be intelligence from other agencies
that we would gather, yes.
Okay, thank you.
And on that same page, the last paragraph,
have the main enforcement and compliance role for the licence authority in terms of Act
5. Is that another typo? The last paragraph?
I would say that number 5 needs to come out, so yes, I will remove that as well. Thank
you. I have no more questions on part A. Anybody
Any questions on part a?
No?
We will move on to part b.
Any questions?
Ian.
Do we actually have casino -type operations within our district?
Or are we talking about kind of...
Game machines.
No, we don't have any casino operations.
It's something that's a big resolution not to encourage or include.
Thank you.
Councillor David Fowles - 0:09:20
It's a more general question, but given the increasing popularity of online betting, who
pleases that out of curiosity?
Is that done nationally or?
Officer - 0:09:32
That would be, and Kevin, tell me if I'm wrong, it would be the gambling commission.
The gambling commission.
The gambling commission.
The gambling commission is nationally and enforced by the gambling commission.
There's going to be a further update next year and that would be
overview mr. Gamm the Commissioner changing and we expect that will be
Officer - 0:10:10
Yes, that change has been made.
Any other points on Part 1?
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:10:20
No.
Turning to page 26.
What part are we on now?
The paragraph where concerns do exist about two thirds of the way down.
The Licence Authority will request that the licensee shares a copy of its own risk assessment.
Is that shared with us?
Could you repeat the question please?
It says that the licensee shall share a copy of its own risk assessment. I was wondering who it shares it with. Is it with us?
That would be shared with us during the application process.
Okay, thank you.
Councillor Patrick Coleman - 0:11:15
Actually, Chair, if I may, in that paragraph as a whole, it looks like there needs to be
some sort of shuffle because we get where concerns do exist, perhaps prompted by new
or existing risks.
The licensing authority will request that the licensee share a copy of its own risk
assessment, which will Statement of Principles Gambling Act
2005 -2021 set out in the measures the licensee has
in place to address specific concerns.
And I wondered whether the phrase
Statement of Principles Gambling Act 2005 brackets 2021
belongs either somewhere else entirely or perhaps not quite
certain where it belongs.
I am sure that paragraph is reviewed and amended before it goes to full council.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:12:09
Local area profile, it says we have a very low number of premises licensed under the
gambling act.
Do we know roughly how low?
I don't have those numbers, I'm handing myself to get that for you.
I was just wondering what it's like compared to other districts.
Not too early.
Yeah.
On page 28.
Right at the very bottom, adult gaming centre.
I have no idea what that is.
Can somebody explain what an adult gaming centre is?
So an adult gaming centre, obviously there is an age provision in place and they won't
be able to access that directly from another licensed gambling premises so it would need
to have its own court and board.
Is your microphone on?
Yes.
It's going to be a sectioned off area where you can't access it from another gambling
premises so it would have its own boundary too.
Mark, maybe this will help. If you go into motorway services you see fruit machines all
lined up and they've got a barrier and it says over 18s only so that would I imagine
be an adult gambling area?
Yes, thank you.
Thank you.
Tape sit.
Is it principally to do with age?
No, not age.
It's a game.
It's fruit machines.
One of them.
That's up to me.
Obviously I've got a council of council.
There's a problem about this.
They are trying to decide which of them lost more money.
Just for clarification, page 31 right at the very top,
it has got access of children and young persons.
We are assuming young persons under the age of 18, are we?
Which section?
For this, yes.
Yeah.
Do we need to put that in so we talk clear?
I haven't seen it defined anywhere else.
Might be worth putting that in.
I'll review that paragraph.
Thank you.
Page 35, the very top, 1312,
which says tracks.
I'm a bit confused about that. What's tracks?
So we have racetracks for dogs and horses.
Okay.
Thank you.
Moving on to page 37.
1315 reviews.
The third point down, the licensed authority will take into consideration whether the request is frivolous or vexatious.
Who in the council determines that? Is that yourselves or the licensed staff or is it input from legal?
It would be input from legal and normally frivolous or vexatious will often be repeated comments from one individual
as opposed to it being from multiple people giving us a foundation to base it on.
But it would be legal who would advise on that.
Thank you.
Page 39.
Oh, sorry, I have to see, sorry.
Has anybody got any more questions on part B?
No?
Okay, we will move on to part C.
Page 39.
Just a quick question.
In the views of the officers, is there any significant changes?
No.
Officer - 0:16:20
There's no. Thank you.
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:16:27
Page 39 .2, first paragraph, we've got gaming machine of category C or D.
Does it mean anything to do with C or D?
Do we need to define that a bit to make it clear?
I don't know if that would be something that could be included in the report potentially.
We can include that as an annex 3 or C.
Thank you, if I may.
Councillor Patrick Coleman - 0:16:59
I think it is important that given it is rather a legalistic document that if members of the
public want to read it, it has to be as accessible as we can make it.
I don't suppose I should ever know what some of these machines are, but it is good to know
that somebody does.
Officer - 0:17:38
The temporary is normally used for occasions where you may see a point -to -point setup,
So that would be something where a one -off event as opposed
to a continuous event.
So a point -to -point is a good example
where a temporary use notice would be submitted.
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:17:58
Is anybody else got any questions?
No?
Just a rhetorical question.
Councillor Julia Judd - 0:18:09
How many applications do you get a year -ish?
Officer - 0:18:15
I would need to look at the details to give you a definite number but in the past year I've had one.
There's been maybe two occasional use notices for point -to -point but yeah it's just the one.
Thank you.
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:18:37
Councillor Julia Judd - 0:18:40
I would then just like to say thank you very much to the officers for doing such a lot of work for something.
I feel that they've probably got much better use of their time.
This is important. I'm not saying it's not important.
But thank you for doing all this work for one license a year. Thank you.
Councillor Ray Brassington - 0:19:01
No more points? No? OK. So I was going to thank the officers as well. So you beat me
to it. OK. Thank you very much. This is a recommendation to council, sir. You have to
vote on this now, do we? Yes. OK. We have to vote following the recommendations on page
os
That is unanimous.
Thank you very much licensing officers.

9 Sites Inspection Briefing

Item 9, site inspection briefing.
We haven't got one lined up.
Those members are on the list.
If you could keep that date available, just in case.
Item 10, licensing subcommittee.
We haven't got anything planned.
No, I don't believe so, no.
Okay.
So, right, that's the end of the meeting.
Thank you all very much for coming.
Thank you.
It's set.

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